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[edit] Map question

What do the two different colors of green on the map mean? Shouldn't there be some sort of key in the image description? Kaldari (talk) 19:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Dark green means the Dutch West India Company, light green means the Dutch East India Company. Red4tribe (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The map should probably have a legend on it somewhre to avoid the obvious confusion -Kirkoconnell (talk) 02:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
It was added after my previous comment. Red4tribe (talk) 03:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I meant an in-picture table like this example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Evolution_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies.png. -Kirkoconnell (talk) 03:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll add it now. Red4tribe (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pagoeta/Morris

Oh dear. Here we go again. "Over 25 million worldwide speakers of Dutch", with Pagoeta/Morris quoted as a reference. One can search inside the latest edition of this book at Amazon. On page fifty one (not 68) we see the authors write "with over 20 million speakers". The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 19:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm no. [1] Red4tribe (talk) 19:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The later edition of the book contradicts the earlier edition then. Goes to show the problems with using travel guides as an academic reference. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 20:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

It says that it needs copyediting at the top, yet nearly every single change in this edit made the article worse, either due to grammatical errors or spelling mistakes.

  • consisted by -> should be "consisted of"
  • Dutch merchants and sailors also participated in the exploration in the 16th and 17th centuries though the vast new territories, revealed by Willem Barents, Henry Hudson, Willem Janszoon and Abel Tasman in Australasia and Oceania. -> does not make sense (read it back to yourself - note the presence of the word "though")
  • remained under the Netherland's control -> wrong punctuation
  • the Duch -> spelling mistake
  • wich resulted in -> spelling mistake
  • the coastal provinces of Holland and Zeeland had for a long time (prior to Spanish rule) has been important hubs of the European maritime trade network. -> "has" does not make sense here
  • for an initial period of 25 yars. -> spelling mistake
  • The company itself was founded as a joint stock company, similarly to its English rival, the English East India Company. that has been founded two years earlier -> again, "has" does not make sense here

Therefore I have either corrected or reverted the majority of this edit. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 18:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


No, no, no. Grammar and spelling is not my strongest side. You may correct it as much as you whish. But you did removed edits which I think are necessary. What I was after is simply to clarify, and clarify some historical facts and to improve the logical structure.

I removed the Antarctica because the Dutch never had any colonies there.


I added the Eighty Years War (1568-1648) , and you removed that. Timeperiods are necessary in history articles.


I added William the Silent|William of Orange]], the main leader of the Dutch revolt against the Spanish (removed)


I added independence was declared of the United Provinces in the 1581 Act of Abjuration, and you remove that too. (saying was declared and move on to the next topic makes you wonder – who?)


I added that the Duch were maritime and economic power instead major force


I added :accompanying the struggle for independence from Spain, called the Revolt of the Netherlands (1568-1648) , which was the revolt of the Seventeen Provinces in the Low Countries against...


that is simply clarifying the sentence below (and you removed it)


The Dutch used their skills in shipping and trading and were aided by the nationalism and militarism accompanying the struggle for independence from Spain which was the revolt of the Seventeen Provinces in the Low Countries against the Spanish Empire.


More confusion:


The Thirty Years' War (1618–1648) was a religious war principally fought in Germany, where it involved most of the European powers, between Protestants and Catholics in the Holy Roman Empire, and gradually developed into a general, political war involving most of Europe. And this Thirty Years' War was a continuation of the Bourbon-Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence.


On the other hand, The Dutch Revolt, Eighty Years' War or the Revolt of the Netherlands (1568—1648), was a war of the Duch against the Spanish, and both the The Thirty Years' War and the Eighty Years' War ended at the same time.


It is not easy to get this reading the article...


there is a guideline, explain the obvious. I think these things need to be explained

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