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Contents 1 Introduction 2 Image copyright problem with File:BuffaloBandits.JPG 3 State symbols 4 Newspaper History Inclusion 5 Factual Error - "New York City, which is the largest city in the state..." 6 Climate - need beter graph 7 {editsemiprotected} Pertaining to the Iroquois Confederation 8 New York United States Border 9 Upstate-Downstate map

[edit] Introduction

The introduction needs a clean up. Particularly the part which says "Don't you think that's AMMMAAAZZZINNNGGG" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.95.46 (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This place has a big population it would be so cool if I lived there unforchenetly im only dreaming :(

New York city doesnt have very good mayors they havnt had 1 sence 1898. and what is MIT any way B4N —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.243.14 (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see some standard info on here, such as the state flower. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.5.177 (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with File:BuffaloBandits.JPG

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[edit] State symbols

This void needs to be filled. 71.146.25.98 (talk) 17:10, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Newspaper History Inclusion

Curious that I see nothing in this article about New York newspapers, present and past. Not even a reference to the New York Times. Wasn't there a paper before the Times called the "New York Citizen"? Perhaps there were other competition papers?  ^{.`</sup>^) Paine<sup>diss`cuss} (^^`.  18:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Error - "New York City, which is the largest city in the state..."

I'm unable to edit this page, but this error is in the 1st line of the 2nd paragraph on the page.

It would be more accurate to read, "New York City, which is the largest city in the state and most populous in the United States..."

The largest city in the US by geographic area is Jacksonville, FL.

R0cketm4n (talk) 04:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You are correct. Jacksonville, FL has a much larger geographical area. I've made the change. --JBC3 (talk) 05:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure the original intent was to describe the city as the most populous in the state. "Largest" is commonly used to describe size-by-population, not just size-by-area, although the current wording is admittedly more clear. I question, though, whether it's necessary to discuss the city's land area (and is it absolutely true that it's the largest in the state by area, anyway?). Powers ^T 17:45, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

If it's the largest in the state by area, then I would say it is worthy of a mention. As to the factual nature of the statement... New York only has 62 cities, so someone could check quickly if they really wanted. I find it hard to believe that any city in New York has more area, though (but then again it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong)... --JBC3 (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

According to List of United States cities by area, it is the largest by area, but I still don't see how that's worth mentioning in this article. Powers ^T 20:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

[Unnecessary and possibly inappropriate reply redacted by author in accordance with WP:REDACT] --JBC3 (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

"Large" = "exceeding most other things of like kind especially in quantity or size" and "sizes" of cities are usually compared by population. In prose discussing cities, "largest" generally means "most populous". When talking about land area, the distinction is usually explicit (e.g. "Largest by land area" c.f. "Jacksonville has been the largest city in land area").--Loodog (talk) 00:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Climate - need beter graph

A good example of how the climate should be presented: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fransisco#Climate The structure of that kind of table is better, average temperatures are more usefel than high and low extremes and the temperature should be written in both Celcius and Fahrenheit (most people use Celcius). 193.190.253.147 (talk) 07:54, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] {editsemiprotected} Pertaining to the Iroquois Confederation

Four of the Six Nations of The Iroquois Confederation, sided with the British, the Mohawk, the Onondaga, the Cayuga and the Seneca Indians. The two other nations, the Oneida and the Tuscarora fought for the Colonists deviding the great Iroquios Confedracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattim42 (talk • contribs) 00:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New York United States Border

This section seems like a bit unnecessary and irrelevant. The first paragraph concerns the greater US-Canadian border, while the latter two seem more fit for the separate Niagara Falls article. Perhaps it ought to be done away with? I've looked at some of the other border state articles, which do not have sections solely dedicated towards the border. Ian Fahey (talk) 00:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it could be part of another article, and then a link could be put in the see also. Is there such an article already out there? --JBC3 (talk) 01:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The only one I could imagine is the Canada – United States border, though it seems as though the first paragraph was copied from that article's introduction. Same goes for the Niagara Falls paragraphs, and the border crossings list. Ian Fahey (talk) 02:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I just added Canada – United States border as a wikilink in the intro. That article has a see also to the list of border crossings. I think, given the scope of this article and the others, it would be appropriate to delete the section. --JBC3 (talk) 02:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, except I'd like to keep the border crossings list. Powers ^T 14:00, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps incorporate that into the Geography section, or just wikilink to the list of border crossings. Ian Fahey (talk) 23:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Upstate-Downstate map

This image provides information to readers, but is unsourced. Were the information provided by this map in text format, I'm certain it would be considered original research. In fact, the last paragraph of Geography is about Upstate-Downstate and is totally uncited. I'd like to see the map (and the paragraph) either sourced or removed, but an understanding of New York is incomplete without knowing something about Upstate. Thoughts? --JBC3 (talk) 16:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)