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[edit] Removing Wrong Information - Yanko bin Madyan vs. Constantine as founder

Removed the following passage: Ahmed Bican, who established he definitive version of the Turkish legend of the founding of ‘Kostantiniyye’, introduces a certain Yanko bin Madyan as it's legendary builder. That exotic personal name has its origin however in Nicomedea: it is a misspelling and or misreading in the Ottoman Turkish writing of the actual word ‘Nikomedian’.^[1]

This passage was removed as per Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and undo weight. The information conflicts every reliable historical source in any language. Dinkytown 06:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I note you insist on removing my passage. Given the purely historical set-up of the article you might have a point there, but please understand that I am not making any claim whatsoever for the historicity of my add; of course it is a legend (which I clearly state in the text itself)! Anyway, to make the matter absolutely unambiguous, would it be an idea to create a sub-header within the main article "Nicomedia", say: Popular Culture; or: Nicomedea in Legend and Lore -- ? Radbod (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Since Nicomedia predates Islam by many centuries, it will give that passage an undo weight for the entire article. Having an Islamic description of the creation story of Nicomedia (or any other city in the area) would make as much sense as an Islamic creation myth of New York City. Nicomedia had been around for many centuries before Islam and a creation myth described by one person would be undue weight.

If you wanted to do a commentary of Ahmed Bican's description as an historian, then describing them on his website would be very appropriate. You can describe his view on many different issues (as long as its sourced) and the city of Nicomedia could be one of them. However, I see this as only a description from one man, rather than a representative of Islam's view in general of the creation story/myth of the city itself (if there is such a story).

It sounds like that you have a lot of material on the man. Maybe you can continue working on his page, since that page is pretty limited in scope and depth right now. The Nicomedia and Constantinople pages can have a "See also" at the bottom with the link: "Ahmed Bican - Regarding Islamic creation myth of the Nicomedia" - or something to this effect. The Ahmed Bican page can have different sections, such as "Ahmed Bican creation story of Nicomedia", or "Ahmed Bican creation story of Constantinople", etc. which could have far more detail than what could be allowed in the Nicomedia page, because of the undo weight issue. I believe that the Ahmed Bican page would be greatly benefited. What do you think? Dinkytown 20:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you; and the "See also" is an excellent suggestion. I can use it to take out both the Nicomedia material, and that Constantinople passage we discussed earlier, without the material being lost to Wikipedia, by putting them in the main article on Bican with appropriate subheaders, like the one you suggest. Radbod (talk) 12:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Glad you liked it and glad to help. Happy editing... Dinkytown 00:00, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Translation

This article appears to be a translation, as many definite articles are missing and the structure is fairly incomprehensible at parts. I would recommend that someone review this. --Ambrosiaster (talk) 02:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)